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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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132 for the 29th of april 2011 ah-ah

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hear those bells folks ah well a long

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and happy marriage William and Kate

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getting married today and I'm not there

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hmm oh well on this week's skeptic zone

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we catch up with Maynard and find out

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more about Maynard yes one of your

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favorite reporters from the skeptics

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owner Maynard we're going to delve into

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his background a little chat session to

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find out more about this interesting man

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following that I interview Norman

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Clevenger from the San Francisco Bay

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Area about local skepticism and more

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importantly local activism very

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interesting interview coming up in the

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middle of the show to wrap up the show

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may nods back again with an interview he

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did with George rub just after tam

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Australia which is sort of went missing

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for a little while as lying on a

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computer under a dusty cupboard and we

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discovered it and decoded it decrypted

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it and it's here now for you to enjoy

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Maynard interviews George rub now I must

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tip my hat to my colleague dr. Steve

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novella who in the past week appeared on

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the dr. Oz Show in the United States I

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guess it's going to be shown here in

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Australia sometime but you need not wait

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it's on youtube if you google steve

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novella dr. oz you'll find it i'll just

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play a little clip from it now creative

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alternative health why do you not want

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me to talk about these therapies on the

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show it turns out they don't work I

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totally disagree

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should you be concerned the public needs

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to get a reasonable information not just

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marketing hype I just think it's very

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dismissive of you dr. Steven abella

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neurologist an assistant professor at

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yale university school of medicine is an

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outspoken critic of alternative medicine

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dr. novelette me spoke if i count with

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you sure why are there so many doctors

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out there doctors of our viewers who

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don't like alternative therapies why do

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you not want me to talk about these

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therapies on the show well I the problem

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we have with the notion of alternative

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medicine or alternative therapies that

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it's you know it's an artificial

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category it does it what it doesn't

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really mean anything it exists really to

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create a double standard but what we

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think is there should be one

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science-based common-sense standard to

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figure out what therapies work and are

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safe and not these artificial categories

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that are used really to market things in

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our opinion that essentially don't work

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now what I liked about Steve's

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appearance on dr. oz is that he did get

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to say why he did get a lot of good

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points in he really did but yes he was

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behind the eight-ball I know what that's

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like to be on a TV show where it's sort

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of well be it against reason and then

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science and then it's a bit eating at

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the last word because this is how dr. oz

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signed off the segment and if it does

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work for you the trust me do not like

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you're not let anybody take it away from

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you that is well thank you very much

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that's where they appreciate it so much

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dr. Albright will get me back with you

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in a second yes it's the old fallacy of

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it works for me or it works for you if

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it works for you anyway it's really

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worth having a look at this interview

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this segment in its entirety and I'll

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add a link to the YouTube video in the

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show notes and in the newsletter and as

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promised i am going vegan I it's day one

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of my two day vegan and adventure and

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all right I will admit it's not as easy

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to find vegan food as you might think I

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had a a coffee with soy milk yep

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yeah but I did have a really nice chick

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pea and carrot burger yes it sounds a

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bit weird but it tasted pretty damn good

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anyway it's a it's a lot of fun and

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tonight I'm going to feast on our rice

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and a nice vegetarian curry sounds all

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right to me anyway thank you flex a

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vegan for prompting me in this direction

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but I think two days will be enough

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enough of this waffle enough of this

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waffle I'm going to have a green tea mmm

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that's all right why do you enjoy the

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i'm here at one of my favorite cafes in

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newtown cafe 2042 cafe and deli and i

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just had a wonderful cup of coffee with

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me night homeowner hi hello I'm getting

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down to the sounds of Raymond's Iraq

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there it's pretty cool it is pretty cool

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indeed although I think the doors is on

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the loop heard the same three Doors

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songs over and over again only already

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at the end so I'm reminded at the end of

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Apocalypse Now bc the movie i'll never

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watch again goes once is enough that's a

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great film I've seen it twice I did I do

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something wrong man it's a bit like

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deliverance you only want to see you at

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once really it's powerful enough the

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first time great to be here with you and

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let me tell you Richards looking tremor

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he's been to the gym he's doing a lot of

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exercise I reckon he's taken five years

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of his age oh well five inches off my

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waist maybe Oh your waist I don't have a

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talk with you may not because every now

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and then I think it's good for our

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audience to learn a little bit more

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about the people behind the skeptic zone

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and you're right behind the skipping

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zone well it's nice to be asked I hope

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that doesn't seem too self-indulgent and

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I really wish I did have a proper peace

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with someone who had something really

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good to do with science or skepticism

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golfer this week but I'm sorry I don't

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but I hope everyone's been enjoying

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spooky action at a distance and you

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didn't believe me when I came up with

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that there's the title for the segment

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originally did you reach it you thought

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I was just making some all crappy up

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well you remember that day we SAT around

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the table at a pub and we were writing

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down all these names for your segment

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and then that one came up and you said

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that's the one I wanted to use yeah I

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said spooky action at a distance because

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that's what I believe what Einstein used

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to describe to the quantum thing at

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cuando Mac I think it's some

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entanglement or something entanglement

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entanglement and I asked the guys from s

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to you what entanglement was and they

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explained it to me and I still don't

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quantum mechanics setting and look up

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and also i'm interested if any visiting

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a homeopathic practitioners out there

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that listen to the show that would like

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all that like me to get in the ring I'd

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way they do what they do like I did with

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that Jessica Adams about astrology I'm

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very interested in why people are

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interested in that and why they want to

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be like that and I want them to explain

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it in a you know not I know I don't want

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to give them a hard time because I don't

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think they talk to you Richard because

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after that what you're doing today janar

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hit list I fear I am but that interview

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what she does and I think it's good for

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skeptics to have explained to them why

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people believe what they do even if you

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are not on board with anything and

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their astrology on me personally and she

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did make some predictions about you

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Richard which would you curious to know

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about this but you're not allowed to

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prediction and the time scale has a

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little bit further to run yet so I'm not

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may not to know that someone someone out

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true soon or later or not soon I honest

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water I mean XP they can explain that to

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let's cast our minds way back into the

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dim past of australian radio where we

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sunday afternoon fever a for our show on

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a Sunday that's basically celebrating

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show and I really I really loved my time

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a triple dose interesting too because

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anyway and and on that road abate i

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hodgman pod cast in which she actually

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have a listen to that one podcast fans

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but yeah you're on the TV yes in the

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mid-80s I was on television with James

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Valentine on the afternoon show and

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while i was on triple j i did lots of

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guest spots on things it's interesting

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people come up to me and think I've been

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on shows i haven't been on because i get

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in australia people confuse me with a

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comedian called Vince sorrenti and the

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syringe yes it's the rate yeah because

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Vince had a flattop haircut at the same

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time I did and they probably saw him on

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TV more than me so they see me and they

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make the mistake of thinking I'm him

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it's more embarrassing for him than me

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really and there's also a show called

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don't leave home without your toothbrush

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that was hosted by Tim Ferguson you a

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part of that no I had nothing to do with

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that whatsoever and sometimes people

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mistake me as Tim Ferguson from Doug

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Anthony All Stars which again he's a

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much better looking guy than me much

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taller than me and much funnier than me

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and much richer and a better career than

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me so I'm again it's a bit of a bummer

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for him that he gets mistaken for me

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occasionally now where did this whole

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dag thing come about because you even

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wrote a book doing you about bigger dag

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that's right I'm and what is a dag for

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our international audience is a hard one

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because even this term has fallen out of

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usage here in Australia um it's

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basically when you are shearing a sheep

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where the poo get stuck to the wall on

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the back of its bum those are called the

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gags and for some reason that came to

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mean someone who was who was a happily

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unfashionable uncool probably isn't a

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great [\h__\h] only on fashion that's what

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I was used to call it happily

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unfashionable do you like ever you like

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velour you like the velvet of us on the

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wall you're very happy with that you are

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yeah it's not kids you're just happen

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early unfashionable or a bit of a day so

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how did you get into Dagda well I still

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have one you know I mean like the Bing

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breakfast an answer on triple j means

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you are one of the coolest people in the

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country technically but I was never very

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comfortable with that and I always like

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to celebrate retro culture and at that

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time you weren't getting a lot of retro

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stuff being thrown at you all the time

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it was the rise of the people doing

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cover bands and that kind of stuff was

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happening to my generation and you

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weren't getting you know and also dance

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music was big so I was able to mix you

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know the sounds of bullets let's pick an

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artist that would be really guru josh

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with a bit of case in the sunshine band

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so yeah you had the best of everything

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on the show and you know I pray you play

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about once every half hour play an oldie

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track of something like that and I was

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running a club called the mad club at

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the time which was basically a food

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fight with someone djing that was me you

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can look at mad club with the double D

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on the internet and you'll see me

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throwing all sorts of things all over

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the place setting fire to the floor and

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doing all sorts of things you can't do

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it a night club now because of health

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and safety regulation because apparently

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throwing things at people in clubs and

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setting fire to them is in some way

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dangerous yeah well we have a fellow our

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audience and we are in this lovely cafe

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and it's a favorite of young mothers as

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you can hear by the screaming of little

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children and one of the reasons why i am

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a confirmed bachelor which doesn't

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always mean you gay by the way doesn't

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always mean that but they're having a

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great time over there are mothers the

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mums in the bubs over there is the whole

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table full of babies now Wow and I'm

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always jealous of babies because you

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when they're not screaming and they're

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having a really good time it looks like

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they're having a really good time beyond

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what anyone any older could possibly

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have even if they're on drugs or

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something cuz when anyone who's seen a

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kid having a good time they just have a

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great time so I'm so jealous laughs as

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well you know

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giving back to dag man on what happened

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to dad where's daggone and who's daggy

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now well gee well as I wrote in

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Maynard's guide to dag and Maynard's dad

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quiz book of which they sold about my

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note 20,000 copies all up to publish

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that was at the ABC no no no i think was

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allen lund one or someone like that and

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by the way just because i published two

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books doesn't mean I'm a writer I cannot

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write to save my life as anyone who has

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seen my work on any of the ABC websites

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I write for I cannot write it's one of

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those things I don't pretend to write

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and I as long as I'm not pretending to

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write I think that's a good thing I

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found one of your books and I had you

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sign it we sent it to Brian Dunning well

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you know Brian darling there there so

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there's a headed AG there is a case

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study in gag I mean look I mean look he

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looks great he's got the squeeze got the

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roger ramjet jaw happening there but

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he's a very good-looking man he knows

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his stuff he can tell a great story but

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man he's a jack it really is in fact he

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is upsetting the children here the

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reason that those kids are crying is

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because they listen to a couple of old

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step towards oh yeah you know when they

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make that noise that's when he goes on

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bargaining from skip toy comma and they

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just the kids just cut loose with the

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crying so now we jump into the TARDIS

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and we come to the year 2011 may not and

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you found a great interest in skepticism

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well that's right um you know I you know

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I I don't like to call myself a skeptic

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because I do have a lot of Wu tucked

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away in me and I'm pretty forward in

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admitting that you know I i like the

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concept of UFOs pretty much every time i

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see which I talk about some new sighting

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or something out that has fired my

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imagination and you host me write down

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and when you put point of various are

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documentaries in my direction hmm I know

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what I saw yes that's right and look and

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I know and I think there's something

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going on there and i would point people

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to a book an australian book i'd

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recommend to anyone who's interested in

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UFOs and believe or not in them is a

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martin ploughman's book that i mentioned

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a few weeks ago here on the skeptic zone

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on episode number 123 for the 25th off

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every the UFO diaries and basically he's

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gone around to a lot of anomalous places

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around the world where things have

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happened in the

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and continue to happen and he's just

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basically recorded but the people who

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live there say about the events and he

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thinks that you know even if you know

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okay it's not some technology from

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another planet visiting us it's

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something that's worthy of study even if

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it's a psychological as hallucination it

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runs ever that's right now it's great

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interview again if people go to a soda

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number 123 if you haven't heard that

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interview may not did with Martin

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laminate when you ring him up at the

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maternity hospital wasn't it that's

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right his wife had just given birth and

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and there was a lot of confusion over

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who I was whether there was no induction

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involved or something like that big no

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we got through and it was a great

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interview and again it's good to see

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some Australian you apology coming

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forward as well because I more i like

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talking about anomalies I think

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anomalies are really a little spooky

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action we might say spooky action close

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all at a distance but the thing the

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problem i have with the hang of you

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guys's I've been doing for 12 year yeah

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better year now is it like you all seem

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to be quite knowledgeable in your

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various fields of interest you're good

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with the magic and you're good with an

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overall skeptic thing dr. rate she has

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got a cell biology and all you guys know

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what you're doing you're all

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university-trained I'm like ass if

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you're not you're just now I'm just a

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bum I believe you're what they call in

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the business a talented ammeter that'll

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do yeah but myself I see I'm always

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aware that I haven't got the technical

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background a lot of what I'm talking

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about some careful in what I'm saying

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because you know I'm I mean I for a

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living I look like an idiot so I don't

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need to do it on my own time as well

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well I'm not going to make any comments

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there now me night you're still very

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active of course out there in radioland

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and on the internet that's right i do

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stuff for the ABC where i work as an

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online goose that's my official title

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goose look and actually show you yeah

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the abc's reaching in his wallet have

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valuable bait here's his the card they

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give me now now main art has given me

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his business card which is handwritten

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yes they've just given me the ABC logo

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and a space to write my own name and

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phone number there so whenever I meet

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people for business purposes I go ahead

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and I'll just oh look I'll just write in

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my and by the way my handwriting

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can make a birthday card look like a

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death threat it's the writing of a

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four-year-old child it's like happy

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birthday and if you don't know it's from

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mega my goodness how much longer if I

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got the call is coming from inside the

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house it's like that when you get a card

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from me I've got that bad writing and

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now may not of course you're popping up

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on the on YouTube lately we've done some

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fantastic reports when it's expose and

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one at the Armageddon science fiction

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first of all people could check those

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out at skeptics own podcast channel on

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YouTube they were great fun now look it

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does it covers a lot of my interests

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adult movies and science fiction I mean

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really I mean come on guys come on girls

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come on everybody come on herb

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Aphrodite's let's admit we and look sex

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Trek 125 is a good look I've actually

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just got a tweet here from dana dearmond

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who lists herself as the Internet's

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girlfriend and she's saying why isn't

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there a weird science porn parody it

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well there is the sex trick which isn't

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very good and this Shore ain't star trek

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starring sasha grey I don't know how you

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will feel about that but yes there is

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really there is sci-fi porn what I want

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is musical porn there's only one or two

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musical porn films out there and thing

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is it there they're pretty mean you know

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look they're as good as I quit Lewis

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looks in retrospect well I've got a good

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beat you could say that that's for sure

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look I think I'm getting off the topic a

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bit here but a bit yet and basically and

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I had fun the bio-neural podcast I

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interview people I just spoke to greg

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fleet and australian comic who's

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bringing his show tie dye which is all

535
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about horrible time he had in Thailand

536
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when he went there as a stupid tourist a

537
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couple of decades ago he was basically

538
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wandering around Thailand waving his

539
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credit card going who wants to have

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drinks with me and ended up sort of

541
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being kidnapped and threatened his life

542
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with an axe and were surprised and yeah

543
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and basically he got a really good

544
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stand-up routine out of it so if you're

545
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instantly I recommend you go along and

546
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see that at the factory there at the

547
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picnic theater and that's all on my

548
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:14,480
podcast this week and also been reprod

549
00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:16,130
dancing some my own stuff I did a great

550
00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:17,990
interview with Douglas Adams oh that's

551
00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:19,550
terrific now that's terrific stuff if

552
00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:21,980
you haven't heard Maynard's a interview

553
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:24,380
of Douglas Adams that's just a great

554
00:21:28,090 --> 00:21:26,540
interview now where is that now where is

555
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that living at the moment that's living

556
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:29,990
at Maynard com that are you which is

557
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,780
where you can get in

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with me and have that haven't I seen you

559
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,470
before conversation by email I'll be

560
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happy to to prove that I'm not Vince

561
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sorrenti or Tim Ferguson or in fact

562
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Brian Dunning although i can say you're

563
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listening to Maynard you you'll see but

564
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Maynard's malaise on Maynard calm that I

565
00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:48,690
you well I think Brian Dunning should

566
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should watch out his job is under threat

567
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but in the meantime may not thank you

568
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for dropping by to have a chat to the

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skeptics own audience my pleasure X

570
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we're going to dig up the new view at it

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with George rub on Cleveland Street

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standing in the middle of the road

573
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having a chat while waiting for an ice

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cream that's right after ten you

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interviewed George hub and the George I

576
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want to know where you get your suits I

577
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reckon there's a great secondhand suit

578
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place near Bethlehem where you live and

579
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hello everyone I'm Sasha Pixley and i'm

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here to talk to you about skeptic ow

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that's the 2011 northern california

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conference for science and skepticism it

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takes place sunday may 29th at the

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doubletree hotel in berkeley we're going

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to have some great speakers including

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dr. eugenie scott of the NCSC dr. Bob

587
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Carol creator of the skeptics dictionary

588
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yau-man shan and mark edward from the

589
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skipped ologist and many many more

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tickets are $45 or you can sign up with

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a t-shirt for sixty dollars for more

592
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information please visit the website w

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and I'm delighted to be talking right

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now by the wonders of skype and long

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distance internet to Norman Clevenger

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from San Francisco hi Norman hello

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Richard it's really nice to talk with

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you I'm particularly pleased to talk

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with you because I understand that

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you've been somewhat inspired by the

601
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hard work that's been going on here in

602
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australia with skeptical activism and

603
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can you tell us a little bit about that

604
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and also your involvement with the cfi

605
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there yeah in fact Richard I would have

606
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to argue that not only your successful

607
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attack at the avn as well as the 10 23

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campaign really sparked my action and we

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created a umbrella group to collect the

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disparate skeptical organizations in the

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Bay Area and we've tried to and have

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successfully had both the 1023 campaign

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which organized up to six different

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skeptical groups and we had over 20

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people out on the street active actively

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attempting a suicide in front of a whole

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earth a store as well as we got we did

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get press we also are going to be

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planning our upcoming anti anti vax

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campaign called the reason for vaccines

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campaign now this is a very interesting

622
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campaign you've got here and I noticed

623
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that your website by the way as it's an

624
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interesting website which is the URL is

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00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:03,539
reason for reason org and the four is

626
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the numeral four so it's reason than the

627
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numeral for reason dot org and you are

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particularly interested in this topic of

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vaccinations and anti-vaccination and

630
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you're saying the anti anti-vaccination

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what can you tell us about that well in

632
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particular in Northern California

633
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California in itself is a little hippie

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but

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Northern California is particularly post

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modernistic and accepting of all sorts

637
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of different woo in particular we have a

638
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lot of schools with incredibly low

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vaccinated rates we have we have we have

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we have vaccines rates as low as 10

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percent ten percent that's frightening

642
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:52,890
so in Northern California we have school

643
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districts with averaging 50 percent

644
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vaccination rates well below the herd

645
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immunity yeah in fact the California

646
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State has a new law that's coming out

647
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july first which is going to require

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vaccinations for incoming students next

649
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year that's going to explode the brain

650
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of the vaccine movement or the

651
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anti-vaccine movement the deniers yeah

652
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,990
in California and they're there they're

653
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going to lose their mind and we're going

654
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to meet them head-on with our reason for

655
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vaccine campaign that's astonishing and

656
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,200
good use of course to hear but yes

657
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you're right the their brains are going

658
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to explode with all their conspiracy

659
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,190
dreams will be coming true they're their

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fears of big brother you know requiring

661
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:45,990
vaccinations they're going to be running

662
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around like like as we say in this

663
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:50,130
country chokes with their heads cut off

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so you're in for a very interesting ride

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I think up until now the vax the

666
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anti-vaccine movement in California has

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an incredibly low bar in order to get an

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00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,290
exemption all they've had to do is

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download a PDF sign it and send it with

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their kid in fact it's easier than

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getting their children vaccinated really

672
00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:16,050
well not only that we've got a whooping

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cough epidemic that's already claimed

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over 12 children's lives and has and has

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sparked this new law which is going to

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you know require vaccinations for for

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00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:28,140
incoming students this year is this the

678
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the whooping cough epidemic is this

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California wide or assist more as you're

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saying in the northern part of

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California the it's epidemic itself is

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California wide and and it has

683
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spread I understand that parts of

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Colorado has has seen it too wow that is

685
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:47,160
frightening and of course our good

686
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:50,100
friend Phil Plait might be able to know

687
00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:52,890
more about that living in Colorado as he

688
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:56,190
does so your group is not sitting down

689
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:58,530
you're not just looking at this news and

690
00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:01,500
shaking your heads and saying how bad is

691
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:03,180
that you're actually being very

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00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:06,390
proactive in taking on what I guess will

693
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:07,710
be a concerted effort by the

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00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:11,580
anti-vaccination crowd we will in fact

695
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:14,310
we're timing this for the end of the

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00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:16,470
school year to draw attention not only

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to the you know the parents as they as

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the edges of the schools but also to

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make them aware that you know the

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upcoming school year is going to require

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00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,810
the vaccinations we expect pushback we

702
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:29,820
expect to be you know confronted at

703
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:31,920
those schools in those in those on towns

704
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,770
we are going to be blanketing and

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00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:36,120
canvassing all of the health care

706
00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:39,060
pediatrician groups clinics hospitals

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and other institutions to provide both

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00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:46,730
vaccine awareness advocacy and

709
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,150
inoculations well that's that's

710
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:53,220
excellent to hear I'm delighted when

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00:28:59,150 --> 00:28:57,270
people around the world do realize that

712
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,160
these things aren't going to change over

713
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:00,720
the situation is not going to get better

714
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,210
if we just sit back and let the enemies

715
00:29:08,030 --> 00:29:06,000
of reason walk all over so I'm very

716
00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:08,040
pleased to hear that now let's talk a

717
00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:10,920
little bit about what else you do there

718
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:13,230
no bay area and just before the

719
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:14,730
interview you were discussing with me

720
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:18,000
some of the interesting speakers you've

721
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:21,180
you get to come along to talk to talk to

722
00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:24,750
the people there jay diamond my partner

723
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:29,400
who started a reason for reason org with

724
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:33,720
me came from The Skeptical movement in

725
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:36,150
London and was so enamored over the

726
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:37,800
skeptics in the pub and the speaker

727
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:40,920
series they had he forced to the

728
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:42,990
community here to adopt it and we've

729
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,110
just loved it we've brow run multiple

730
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:48,150
speakers through it since the start of

731
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:50,910
the year and we led with an Oprah

732
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:54,090
Winfrey new network

733
00:30:00,860 --> 00:29:57,720
host of miracle detectives miracle

734
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:00,870
detectives on the oprah winfrey network

735
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:03,270
now this sounds interesting yeah she

736
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:07,110
played the Scully to the other moulder

737
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:12,539
he was not the true believer I see I see

738
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,090
that's interesting she must have been a

739
00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:18,179
good value she was amazing not only was

740
00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:21,000
she you know a neuro scientist but on

741
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:23,400
top of that she wasn't on she's gone up

742
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:26,970
her star and a co-host of that of that

743
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:29,010
program she was fascinating she really

744
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:31,830
delved into true believers how they

745
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,480
thought what they you know how to reach

746
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:36,360
them and and experiences with the show

747
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:40,250
which were hmm strange to say the least

748
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:43,710
our latest speaker was a transient 80

749
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:46,950
meditator oh wow with the TM movement he

750
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:49,710
was a actually teacher and had been in

751
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:52,860
the in the cult for over 12 years he

752
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:56,159
escaped his sanity yeah and it has been

753
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,779
helping people recover from from from

754
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,580
Colts in fact he walked us through the

755
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:04,620
history of it you know and how those

756
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,230
Colts work and how they manufacture

757
00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:09,600
their believe Wow but but what's really

758
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:12,149
interesting was you know the history of

759
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:15,830
the group those you know Colt extraction

760
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,659
organizations used to kidnap people take

761
00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:20,279
them up into the hills and try to

762
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,309
deprogram and now they're using more

763
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:26,159
cognitive therapy treatments and modern

764
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,190
science to help you know work these guys

765
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:31,679
through their their problems and it was

766
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,809
that was absolutely fascinating we of

767
00:31:38,419 --> 00:31:35,760
course are going to be timing the

768
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:38,429
upcoming reason for vaccine campaign

769
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,450
with a speaker a nationally known

770
00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:45,840
speaker on the anti-vaccine movement as

771
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:50,299
well so just before our on the grounds

772
00:31:57,019 --> 00:31:54,120
activism we will have a speaker targeted

773
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:57,029
for the anti backs community that's good

774
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,830
that's that's very good to hear i think

775
00:32:02,270 --> 00:31:59,880
these people can make a lot of

776
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:02,280
difference and certainly in providing

777
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:05,910
their unique or their specialized

778
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:08,490
expertise which is something we all

779
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:09,990
should listen to from time to time I

780
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,780
think now also coming up of course we've

781
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:15,360
got something which i wish i wish i

782
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,030
could come and be with you for this this

783
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,480
is skeptic cal so this is Northern

784
00:32:27,890 --> 00:32:24,720
California's premier skeptic event haha

785
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:27,900
it's put on by dr. Jeanne Scott who I

786
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:30,810
think you might know oh I think I admit

787
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:34,370
it once or twice I think it's the

788
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,370
convention for skeptics it's spectacular

789
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:40,380
it's going to be twice the size of last

790
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:45,390
year's event it's skeptic Cal 2011 yep

791
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,690
and it's got incredible speakers as well

792
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:51,840
as you know the community in itself I'll

793
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:54,210
be representing reason for reason there

794
00:33:00,170 --> 00:32:57,290
as well as cfi and and all of the major

795
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:00,180
local skeptic groups will be present

796
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,510
that's fantastic again I'm I wish I

797
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:05,820
could jump on the plane there and then

798
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:07,740
come over just for that and come back

799
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:09,780
again unfortunately is no gonna happen

800
00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:12,120
this year but there's always next year I

801
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,430
guess yeah we can't wait to have you

802
00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:17,220
yeah no I would I would dearly like to

803
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:20,040
be there because as my listeners might

804
00:33:25,010 --> 00:33:22,350
know I spend quite a bit of time in the

805
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:25,020
Bay Area I know it very well it's a

806
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,560
fantastic spot in fact i was there i

807
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,720
think was it last year i was there and i

808
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,850
was very lucky enough to visit the

809
00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:35,640
Mythbusters studio and have lunch with

810
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:38,040
Adam Savage so good memories of San

811
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:40,950
Francisco and I keep coming back well

812
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:42,270
there you are folks is a great example

813
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:46,470
of skeptical activism and some good

814
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:49,770
times thrown in as well now those people

815
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:53,220
in the the bay area of San Francisco or

816
00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:56,490
in California please visit reason for

817
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:00,750
reason org reason numeral for reason org

818
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:03,510
to find out more get in touch and be

819
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:06,120
part of this interesting and more

820
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,310
importantly this direct action that's

821
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:10,440
taking place well Norman what a pleasure

822
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:12,860
it's been to chat with you and your

823
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:14,390
vided to come back on the skipping zone

824
00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:29,360
anytime a pleasure Richard now on

825
00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:31,360
Belfast FM we turn to the person lads

826
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:34,070
easygoing and confident skeptic seeks

827
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:36,350
other critical thinkers for fun laughter

828
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:38,420
and good times must be willing to apply

829
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:40,490
logic liberally and a good listener

830
00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:42,170
expect something new and interesting

831
00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:44,540
every month come on meet me in Belfast

832
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:46,430
in Northern Ireland if this sounds like

833
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:48,470
you check out my profile on Belfast

834
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:01,690
here's my not spooky action at a

835
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:09,720
yes may not here on a typical friday

836
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:13,030
night in Cleveland Street yes the smell

837
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:15,190
of superval a key is blowing up and down

838
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:16,660
the street I can feel the cool breeze

839
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:18,940
and yet as I move into the ice cream

840
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:23,140
store I see a Malay a george malay

841
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:24,910
although exam is actually a george her

842
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:26,950
out not to be confused with the artist

843
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:29,080
formerly known as a max rabbit who does

844
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,090
a great version of a super trooper in a

845
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:34,440
30 style he's currently I don't know

846
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:38,080
talking to a few love friends fans and

847
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:40,180
well-wishers people that perhaps owing

848
00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:41,620
money from the trip that they've

849
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:43,000
borrowed off him and there hopefully

850
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:44,290
getting it back before he leaves

851
00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:47,320
tomorrow Oh Oh George I was just doing

852
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:50,080
an intro just quietly oh look I'm so

853
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:51,910
just setting the scene very quietly here

854
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:55,300
at the ice cream shop all right and well

855
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:57,250
I've actually I've ruined any chance of

856
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:58,390
having a good night tonight so we'll

857
00:36:02,820 --> 00:35:59,530
have to have an interview fairly shortly

858
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:02,830
George when you go chat okay no actually

859
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:04,150
who actually just discovered something

860
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:07,000
that cup tell us what that is oh oh the

861
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:08,890
Nutella ice cream that is a nutella ice

862
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:11,260
cream as well as a crunchy almond in fig

863
00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:13,960
ice cream which is you you people know

864
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:15,340
your gelato yeah i gotta tell you i

865
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:17,500
gotta tell you and America is a land of

866
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:19,450
fat people I mean ice cream is all over

867
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:21,160
the place they're basically peanut

868
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:24,010
butter ice cream yes but uh the more the

869
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:25,990
merrier I don't know no it's great

870
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:27,730
another Nutella flavor I've never had

871
00:36:33,180 --> 00:36:29,830
before it's okay we're being documented

872
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:33,190
okay prove thankless yeah um say like a

873
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:35,020
horrible reality show so believe your

874
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:37,150
middle name is George social media her

875
00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:39,850
out that's right George Twitter her out

876
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:41,380
yes my parents were way ahead of the

877
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:42,790
curve hey you want to go outside and

878
00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:45,550
cool yeah look the reason i'll grab

879
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:46,870
George here on Cleveland Street and the

880
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,790
traffic is really busy here and George

881
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:50,320
you've done a one man show round

882
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:51,790
Australia you've been everywhere you've

883
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:53,110
been to camera you've been to Melbourne

884
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:54,190
you've been to places you shouldn't have

885
00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:55,420
been you have you had that night in the

886
00:36:59,580 --> 00:36:57,340
lock-up at Bougainville like that yeah

887
00:37:01,080 --> 00:36:59,590
no it's nice and and I hope that Bubba

888
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,090
does keep writing because he promised

889
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:03,520
that's good now what look you know we

890
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:05,020
always ask this and it's kind of a

891
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:07,330
really embarrassing question aah what

892
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,070
aah Australians like

893
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:11,680
how are we different yes no Esther

894
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:13,480
everyone has been I know this is not a

895
00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:14,950
partner I'm not a funny answer but

896
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:17,500
everyone has been incredibly nice I know

897
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:18,970
she got Australia written on the back of

898
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:20,350
that card you've got there it's great to

899
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:22,810
be here in Australia yeah yes welcome to

900
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:25,450
Australia it's nuts everyone's been

901
00:37:30,570 --> 00:37:28,270
incredibly polite and helpful and

902
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,580
supportive and into what I do and I

903
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:33,520
can't it's still very mind-boggling for

904
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:36,070
me a boyfriend Pennsylvania to have a

905
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:37,570
gig in Adelaide and have a hundred

906
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:40,630
people come to the show and and you've

907
00:37:44,250 --> 00:37:42,700
also discovered a factor and we do get

908
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:44,260
traffic noises coming past well I don't

909
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:46,330
live in an ivory tower and with a whole

910
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:47,830
bunch of hookers and blow as much as I

911
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:49,420
work tried to and I can't afford the

912
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,990
rent there right I'm street man so yes I

913
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:54,880
Adelaide of course you found out of fact

914
00:37:59,580 --> 00:37:56,590
about a delay that many Australians have

915
00:38:02,220 --> 00:37:59,590
got wrong oh the yes I was told by my

916
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:02,230
lovely elvin who was my contact person

917
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:04,510
said that Adelaide has a reputation for

918
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:06,760
being the serial killer capital of

919
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:08,170
Australia and apparently this is not

920
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:10,990
mathematically true there are some very

921
00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:13,240
famous serial killers but the incidence

922
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:15,340
of serial killing is not any greater in

923
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:17,140
Adelaide than in any other major city in

924
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,690
australia so rest easy I can just save

925
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:21,520
on booking rebooking their Christmas

926
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:23,950
holidays now Zach yes hotel rates are

927
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:26,020
going down as we speak now George a lot

928
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,820
of people might not know who you are

929
00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:28,960
there listening Taylor let's get a bit

930
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:31,300
of an intro to you basically give come

931
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:32,890
out and you've been hanging with the

932
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:34,540
skeptic some of the scientific reason

933
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:36,070
crowd but basically you're a singer

934
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,110
songwriter having to go exactly from

935
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:41,440
Pennsylvania in the States born and born

936
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:43,150
and raised in New Jersey went to school

937
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:44,860
in pennsylvania and i sort of write I

938
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:47,050
write songs that are skeptical in nature

939
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:49,330
scientific in nature the nerdy in nature

940
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:50,890
said you know people that talk like Fran

941
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:52,630
Drescher the nanny I have met people

942
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:54,310
that talk like Fran Drescher yes and I

943
00:38:57,029 --> 00:38:55,420
usually try to get out of the room as

944
00:38:58,499 --> 00:38:57,039
fast as possible

945
00:39:00,359 --> 00:38:58,509
yeah and and look is it really that

946
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:00,369
rough an area it depends where you are

947
00:39:05,489 --> 00:39:02,529
well no you know people are people so

948
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:05,499
why should it be hello Depeche Mode very

949
00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:09,400
very good it people are nice all over

950
00:39:13,049 --> 00:39:11,619
the planet I find in my in my limited

951
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:13,059
travels people are people tend to be

952
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:16,089
very supportive and cool and just if you

953
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,410
treat people nice they treat you well so

954
00:39:20,249 --> 00:39:18,640
New York is no different than any other

955
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:20,259
city i would think I've gotta say New

956
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:21,880
York I felt New York have to be one of

957
00:39:24,959 --> 00:39:23,140
my favorite cities in the whole world

958
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:24,969
mainly because everything's there the

959
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:26,499
good the bad the ugly the Ronald Reagan

960
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:28,089
and the Abraham Lincoln absolutely and

961
00:39:32,549 --> 00:39:30,339
never you know if you need to buy shoes

962
00:39:33,989 --> 00:39:32,559
at four thirty in the morning New York

963
00:39:35,939 --> 00:39:33,999
is the place to be so it's that's what I

964
00:39:37,739 --> 00:39:35,949
love about New York and you walk out the

965
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:37,749
door and you really don't know how your

966
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:39,369
day is going to go it's an adventure um

967
00:39:44,489 --> 00:39:42,849
a New York minute like you got your life

968
00:39:46,019 --> 00:39:44,499
can change in New York minute suddenly

969
00:39:48,029 --> 00:39:46,029
you'll just be walking out door and

970
00:39:49,529 --> 00:39:48,039
you'll just get something bad or greatly

971
00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:49,539
good will just happen to you I don't

972
00:39:52,769 --> 00:39:51,160
know it seems to be almost magical yeah

973
00:39:54,209 --> 00:39:52,779
well let's get a life itself right I

974
00:39:56,249 --> 00:39:54,219
mean gene Wilder talked about this one's

975
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:56,259
the actor Gene Wilder he said his entire

976
00:40:00,359 --> 00:39:58,209
day as he would approach columbus circle

977
00:40:02,939 --> 00:40:00,369
which is a large kind of circle in New

978
00:40:04,649 --> 00:40:02,949
York City if he went right his they

979
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:04,659
would play out one way if he went left

980
00:40:07,469 --> 00:40:06,039
his name would play in another way

981
00:40:08,669 --> 00:40:07,479
sometimes might be the same day

982
00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:08,679
sometimes might be totally different

983
00:40:12,779 --> 00:40:10,749
that's something that I really being a

984
00:40:15,269 --> 00:40:12,789
skeptic I've discovered that over over

985
00:40:17,429 --> 00:40:15,279
time that you never know what's coming

986
00:40:20,249 --> 00:40:17,439
around the corner because since there is

987
00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:20,259
no plan for you there is no there is no

988
00:40:25,649 --> 00:40:22,599
overseer at least in my sort of belief

989
00:40:26,849 --> 00:40:25,659
system something incredibly awesome or

990
00:40:29,099 --> 00:40:26,859
something incredibly horrible could

991
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,109
happen to you at any moment and to me

992
00:40:32,339 --> 00:40:30,640
that's just an exciting prospect and

993
00:40:34,169 --> 00:40:32,349
it's the best kind of gambling that you

994
00:40:35,789 --> 00:40:34,179
think you're in a groove you think you

995
00:40:38,249 --> 00:40:35,799
know how your life is going to go for me

996
00:40:39,299 --> 00:40:38,259
for example five years ago shoot three

997
00:40:41,699 --> 00:40:39,309
years ago if you had said we'd be

998
00:40:42,959 --> 00:40:41,709
talking here in Sydney I would have

999
00:40:44,729 --> 00:40:42,969
believed you but I would have thought

1000
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:44,739
okay this would be unlikely and yet here

1001
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:46,630
we are but look look I was just telling

1002
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:48,039
you this only last night being business

1003
00:40:51,539 --> 00:40:49,749
I got a phone call a late phone call you

1004
00:40:54,809 --> 00:40:51,549
know from from a friend at the French

1005
00:40:56,249 --> 00:40:54,819
call it the liqueur let bootay and look

1006
00:40:58,229 --> 00:40:56,259
at neck and chain you know and as you

1007
00:40:59,789 --> 00:40:58,239
get older your reaction to that changes

1008
00:41:00,689 --> 00:40:59,799
to you know when you're in your forties

1009
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:00,699
you think or what if I going to do

1010
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:02,170
tomorrow where when you're younger

1011
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:03,370
you would just run out the door and you

1012
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,350
wouldn't even lock it really yeah you

1013
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:06,640
know like that kind of thing so yeah

1014
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,050
your life can change funding they like

1015
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:10,000
that do you think the silly season can

1016
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:12,580
be like that too how do you think the

1017
00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:13,810
silly season can be like that to it

1018
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:15,580
Christmastime more unusual things happen

1019
00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:17,230
particularly for a performer on stage I

1020
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:18,670
don't know I think so I mean I think

1021
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:20,680
holidays are in general just a more fun

1022
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:22,690
time when there's a I love Christmas

1023
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,280
even though I'm an atheist I love it

1024
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:26,560
because I love the idea of goodwill

1025
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:28,570
towards men you can never never sort of

1026
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:30,190
talk that down what about trans miss

1027
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:31,810
Dodds all right yeah they deserve

1028
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:33,940
goodwill as well or a good tip or

1029
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:35,560
whatever yeah yeah yeah well at least

1030
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:37,450
five ten percent depends on what state

1031
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:38,380
you really guess you know I guess yeah

1032
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:40,420
what the what the VAT rate is yeah now

1033
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:42,760
you've noticed a few times in our

1034
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,140
conversation with Georgie's mentioned

1035
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:45,520
the word skeptics is mentioned worth

1036
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:47,620
atheists these are these are polarizing

1037
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,800
words now as a performer are these

1038
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:52,480
something that you don't worry about

1039
00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:54,910
putting out on an audience and that that

1040
00:41:59,130 --> 00:41:57,160
is within any poster any description of

1041
00:42:00,510 --> 00:41:59,140
me sort of at the top is skeptic

1042
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:00,520
songwriter I mean that's that's the

1043
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:03,910
science skeptic atheism atheistic kind

1044
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:06,700
of material I wear that badge very

1045
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:07,990
proudly and I'm one of the people that's

1046
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:09,820
trying to change the image of what's

1047
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:11,290
associated with skepticism and atheism

1048
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:13,030
we get well I mean like sometimes I get

1049
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:14,410
that itude that people think that

1050
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:16,150
they're just crackpots with evidence

1051
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:19,480
right yes that's I like that actually I

1052
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:21,790
could be on a button maybe crank parts

1053
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:24,310
with evidence mmm yeah w/e and where do

1054
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:26,200
you sit on the whole chemtrails thing or

1055
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:29,320
now has there been renamed persistent

1056
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:32,170
can't consistent there baby I've got to

1057
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:36,670
get the persistent aeroplane traffic the

1058
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:39,330
contrails ah because every word

1059
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:41,400
as the No Agenda show podcast will tell

1060
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:43,170
you words matter so you rename something

1061
00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:44,850
like that which you say oh that's a

1062
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,350
chemtrail people think you're a nut but

1063
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:48,240
if you go that's a persistent airplane

1064
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,580
generated contrail the word persistent

1065
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:51,900
makes a difference what it's all about

1066
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:53,340
nomenclature right that's what you call

1067
00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:55,830
it yes not it's not the aura it's the

1068
00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:58,230
quantum energy field exactly exactly

1069
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:00,840
it's much much easier to sell yeah now

1070
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,340
have you got a song about quantum at all

1071
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:04,140
because it seems like quantum is such an

1072
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,700
all-encompassing thing that really no

1073
00:43:08,810 --> 00:43:07,200
one except three people know anything

1074
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:08,820
about so you can write a song about

1075
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:11,220
quantum very easily I haven't written a

1076
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:12,900
summer quantum and maybe I have written

1077
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:14,850
a song about quantum and they both exist

1078
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,660
at the same time yes now George I want

1079
00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:20,700
to introduce a look i'ma listen to your

1080
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:23,070
album and if influences have come up

1081
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:25,050
such as and I know artists much hate

1082
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:26,250
this because when you say influences

1083
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,300
people think I you might be ripping them

1084
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:28,980
off or something but no this is tracks

1085
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:30,270
that I've listened oh you're out and

1086
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:32,610
that reminded me of frank zappa and King

1087
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,190
Crimson of all things um I'm particular

1088
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:36,960
the title track Trevor shape which cool

1089
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:38,610
name by the way if you're gonna call

1090
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:40,320
your album something have you ever won

1091
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:43,170
to launch a diseased body into a mall or

1092
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:45,210
something like that who doesn't I mean

1093
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,290
if you're going to launch anything

1094
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:49,260
larger diseased body into a well across

1095
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:51,030
the video talking about ways to die

1096
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:52,440
earlier over dinner because hell we're

1097
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,330
fun people and it wouldn't that be a way

1098
00:43:58,820 --> 00:43:56,700
to go like if you knew you know hey look

1099
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:58,830
you know sure I could go to Kevorkian

1100
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:00,900
and do that machine thing or build me a

1101
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:02,850
trebuchet and just point me into the

1102
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:05,010
lake oh I think a trebuchet launched

1103
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:06,450
into the side of the you know Sears

1104
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,740
Tower or something that would be the way

1105
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,900
to go no higher the better you know keep

1106
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:11,430
score somehow be a hell of a shock to

1107
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:12,330
the people around the water cooler

1108
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:13,740
that's true that's true but why not

1109
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,300
what's that hit the window they are just

1110
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:17,520
some guy it's Dunston no it's not you

1111
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:19,590
know that track that track really goes

1112
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:21,930
off I mean as a one-man playing that

1113
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:23,190
light they've been taught me to do

1114
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:25,290
that's a toughy to do right that is I

1115
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,150
mean on the album it's me playing bass

1116
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:29,160
guitar and drums because you are funk

1117
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:31,530
drama with the is the Philadelphia sound

1118
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:34,740
experiment infusion double-blind test is

1119
00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:36,150
that what it is exactly very good yes

1120
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:38,580
the Philadelphia funk Authority is my

1121
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:40,150
day job yes playing drums with

1122
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,890
with them so drums are my preliminary

1123
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:43,359
sort of passion the thing I'm really

1124
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:45,369
really good at or purport to be really

1125
00:44:48,299 --> 00:44:46,930
good at right so you go around to

1126
00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:48,309
people's houses and if they haven't got

1127
00:44:52,109 --> 00:44:50,380
a fun place since they taken away is

1128
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:52,119
revoked yeah yeah after you have to buy

1129
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:54,430
the temporary funk dispensation from me

1130
00:44:59,130 --> 00:44:56,410
yes and we have the great track from

1131
00:45:00,599 --> 00:44:59,140
your death from the skies now a pocket

1132
00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:00,609
look you're looking at that oh man

1133
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:03,220
that's got to be a metal track but no no

1134
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:05,049
this is me trying to sort of you say

1135
00:45:11,099 --> 00:45:07,480
influences a an artist still like to be

1136
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:11,109
labeled as influence because they people

1137
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,220
say they're stealing I am wholeheartedly

1138
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:14,079
stealing I steal from as many disparate

1139
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:16,150
sources as possible there by diluting

1140
00:45:21,059 --> 00:45:18,190
the theft so as to be less recognizable

1141
00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:21,069
but death from the skies is one of me

1142
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:22,750
trying to be sliding the family stone

1143
00:45:28,289 --> 00:45:26,410
essentially using words by my good

1144
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:28,299
friend Phil Plait dr. Phil Plait was a

1145
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:30,460
great pot a great blog called bad

1146
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:32,109
astronomy and you have your own podcast

1147
00:45:36,089 --> 00:45:33,970
which confused me at first pedestrian

1148
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,099
name's George and you had the geological

1149
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:38,079
podcast you like so initially I thought

1150
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,970
you were geologists nope nope just

1151
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:42,400
geologic podcast very little geology

1152
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:44,140
canta maybe like two percent geology

1153
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:47,049
content otherwise come on you talk about

1154
00:45:50,339 --> 00:45:48,970
igneous rocks you get the chick yeah

1155
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:50,349
yeah they're gonna give you the schist

1156
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:51,670
one way or the other you know that's the

1157
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:55,690
way it works and and that so I'll just

1158
00:45:58,650 --> 00:45:57,250
want to have a guys down there because

1159
00:46:02,430 --> 00:45:58,660
this is straight we have traffic noise

1160
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:02,440
here well I got to say hey look this

1161
00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:04,089
week we love doing this we are very a

1162
00:46:08,579 --> 00:46:06,339
size comparator has this compared to an

1163
00:46:10,289 --> 00:46:08,589
American Street it's it's almost the

1164
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:10,299
same color yeah it's almost the same

1165
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:12,250
width it's just an all the cars are on

1166
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,109
the wrong side so apart from that it's

1167
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:16,000
identical acts Americans say that we're

1168
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:17,650
a wonderful combination of England and

1169
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:19,450
America because we've got this sort of

1170
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,789
an American kind of cars right right I

1171
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:23,520
thought was more of a combination of

1172
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:25,750
England and Asia actually especially

1173
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,609
walk around sydney ok it's trying to

1174
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:29,920
tell me Ben yeah Asian influence is just

1175
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:31,630
massive I wasn't I wasn't ready for that

1176
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:32,740
I wasn't ready for that it's lovely

1177
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:35,730
lovely surprise though hmm and yeah so

1178
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:38,770
basically feels delivering the bad news

1179
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:39,849
on the end of the world in this track

1180
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,119
phil was talking about the the odds of

1181
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:45,760
dying by certain astronomical phenom

1182
00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:47,410
where they're all coughing more coffee

1183
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,260
yeah you do up to a Marvin Hamlisch

1184
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:52,680
maneuver on you later if you need but um

1185
00:47:02,010 --> 00:46:58,810
oh you'll get behind me again yeah and

1186
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:02,020
then you throw so works out great no

1187
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:03,310
he's talking about the ways of the ways

1188
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:05,050
the world could end whether it's being

1189
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:06,430
sucked into a black hole or the Sun

1190
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,250
exploding or being hit by comments or

1191
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:12,400
whatever and I love nerds nerd facts

1192
00:47:17,610 --> 00:47:14,290
like that that the fact that you are

1193
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:17,620
more likely or more likely to be hit by

1194
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:20,410
an asteroid or is safe spare rock

1195
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:22,690
floating around then be killed in a

1196
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:24,940
terrorist act I like facts like that and

1197
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:26,950
he was kind enough to record his part

1198
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:28,810
and I just kind of funked out while he's

1199
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:30,610
talking about the facts on top of it do

1200
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,530
you ever mentioned this to the TSA what

1201
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:33,760
are you going through and getting felt

1202
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:36,010
up oh yeah I do it full full voice ice

1203
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:39,490
cream yes yes but my voice is dying it

1204
00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:43,300
goes the carbon dioxide um thanks for

1205
00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:46,180
coming and in have a great flight home

1206
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:47,560
and I love being filled up on your

1207
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:49,300
return to America by the TSA Thank you

1208
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:50,170
Thank keep doing what you're doing I

1209
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,340
really appreciate it look we'll try to

1210
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:52,720
organize some feelings for you next time

1211
00:48:01,480 --> 00:47:53,890
you coming a kiss so it's good

1212
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,310
hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

1213
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,760
guide to the universe or whoa whoa whoa

1214
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:08,400
hold on whoa everybody knows I'm the

1215
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:09,810
only reason to listen to the Freak Show

1216
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:11,700
right I mean it was up to me the show

1217
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,580
would start with this yeah boy well

1218
00:48:21,859 --> 00:48:20,040
Rebecca would hate that probably but I

1219
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:21,869
mean I'd rock that listen to our show

1220
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,160
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1221
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:24,960
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1222
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:26,730
someday when technology progresses so

1223
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:28,230
fast that it would make the Industrial

1224
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:29,609
Revolution look like a kid science

1225
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:32,670
project anyway come check us out at WWDC

1226
00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:00,359
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1227
00:49:06,299 --> 00:49:02,619
remember 30 years ago staying up to

1228
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:06,309
watch the wedding of Prince Charles and

1229
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,700
Lady died 30 years ago it doesn't seem

1230
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:11,680
like that long anyway enough reminiscing

1231
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,450
enough reminiscing thank you for

1232
00:49:20,339 --> 00:49:16,720
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1233
00:49:23,609 --> 00:49:20,349
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00:49:30,089 --> 00:49:27,790
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00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:30,099
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1248
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